Spider-Man by Erik Larsen
Spider-Man by Erik Larsen
The spider marriage was a farce. 60% of the time Mary Jane was either whining or hooking up with Peter.
Erasing the marriage was the best thing to happen to Mary Jane.
fucking women wanting to have sex with their husbands, right?The only writers who wrote the marriage well were JMS, Peter David, and JM DeMatties. Those who loved that marriage I will never understand why. The character married to Peter wasn’t MJ. Thankfully we got MJ back when the marriage was erased.
Yes, J.M. DeMatteis, Peter David and JMS wrote the marriage well (as did Fabian Nicieza, Gerry Conway, Tom DeFalco, Erik Larsen and assorted others). Maybe that has something to do with why people liked it…?
On the other hand, Howard Mackie, Terry Kavanagh, and David Michelinie - among others - wrote EVERYTHING bad, including Peter, Spider-Man, Aunt May, and assorted supporting cast members and villains. And then there were all the efforts to get rid of the marriage, such as the Clone Saga and MJ “dying,” that backfired badly. So blaming the character of MJ for her depiction, when those writers pretty much punted on all aspects of writing Spider-Man, is rather…idiotic, IMO.
And if people think we have the “real MJ” back now - yeah. Sorry. It’s not any MJ I recognize. I don’t know who the obtuse cardboard cutout with red hair and green eyes is supposed to be, but she’s not Lee’s, Conway’s, Wolfman’s, Stern’s, DeFalco’s or anyone else’s Mary Jane. She’s Slott’s two-dimensional puppet used to troll readers while pointing out everything he hates about Spider-Man’s continuity. And now that she’s served her purpose - or rather, didn’t (NO ONE bought Carlie as a love interest, not even when Slott made MJ ship Peter/Carlie), Slott is thrilled to get rid of her. In fact, he’s destroying every Spider-Man/MJ relationship, regardless of universe or how obscure, right now.
Also? Married women like having sex with their husbands. Married women - and even unmarried women! - initiate sex with their lovers. Women are concerned about their partners, even when they aren’t superheroes. That’s just…real life.
60% huh? You do the math on that because I’m preeeeeeeeeeety sure there were times she wasn’t doing any of those things.
And even if she was, your right how DARE Mary Jane whine about her husband being absent/her life being endangered/his life being endangered most of the time. God, wmmn amirite! What she needed to do was not whine or have sex with Peter ever because that’s what real couples are like of course.
I stand by my opinion that of all the Spider-Man love interests Mary Jane is the most ridiculously overcriticised and I don’t know why. Betty Brant is positively compared to Lois Lane, even though she cheated on her husband…on their honeymoon. Black Cat is beloved by fanboys because she’s super sexy, but no one talks much about how shite she was written in the 1980s, or how she orchestrated the murder of someone and also cheated on Spider-Man! And then Gwen is idealised to the point where she makes the average Disney princess look bad, but we’ll just forget how in the Silver Age she was annoyingly insecure.
But no….let’s rip a new one into Mary Jane for….existing I guess. She sucks because:
She was a ‘slut’
She was never around during the marriage
She was always around during the marriage waiting by a window
She was too whiny
She was too sexy
She had sex ‘too much’
She was too supportive
She wasn’t supportive enough
She didn’t have enough in common with Peter
They were too functional
She got kidnapped too often
She didn’t do anything
She wasn’t Gwen…
Let me get this straight you’re saying MJ before the marriage wasn’t the same afterwards but JMS and JMD wrote her well? Okay…then play spot the difference for me. Give me EXAMPLES of MJ before the marriage and during those runs where she’s similar.
Because I’m 90% sure under those guys she was older, wiser and more mature and under everyone else she was also like that. MJ didn’t suddenly warp into someone different you effing moron (no I’m sorry right but I’ve heard BS like this once too often), she organically progressed into what she became and what she was was a great character who built up how she was before.
And after OMD you never got MJ back. You got a cheap ass imitation who was so fucking idiotic that she couldn’t spot that Peter Parker who was walking, talking and acting like Peter Parker was Doctor fucking Octopus!.
So here is an idea. You’ve got an argument right? Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and PROVE your point. You know. Back it up with evidence rather than just saying shit as if your word is law. Go on, I’ll wait, I’ll take you on. Because good sir if you want to tangle with me I’m spoiling for a good old internet debate and if you come at me I will chew you up and spit you out with my Spider-knowledge. So come on…why don’t you just TRY to make your case to me. Let’s see how far you get?
Tellstoriesto me-….Disagree. Michelinie and Mackie did not write everything bad at all. There were bad parts but not they didn’t write everything bad, including the marriage. I’m actually gonna showcase that eventually. Mackie weirdly wrote the marriage very well before the reboot.
Why the hate for MJ? She does have things in common with Peter. I agree with the comment above, I love the marriage. I like how MJ and Peter are best friends, confidents and love each other. Oh and does anyone know what issue this page is from?
By Al Milgrom
D E A D O R T R E A T
The people who come running to hug you after you haven’t seen them in awhile are my favorite type of people.
Bitch, dont you “previously on…” me. I have been watching this show for 5 hours. I know what happened.
By Erik Larsen
By Erik Larsen
By Todd McFarlane
youre not friends if you havent pooped at each others houses
but what if the friend is across the country or in another country?
what is it called when u kill a friend
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #346
By Erik Larsen